On 26/11/2020 11:11, Lassi Kortela wrote:
>> I like the blurb on staging, but I think that the *next* thing should be
>> suggested further-reading links for new interested people rather than
>> dumping them straight into stuff that's more of interest for seasoned
>> Schemers.
>
> Agreed. Do you think this could be done by listing the subdomain links
> in such an order that things likely to interest newbies are first?

I think that offers a good combination of "Making scheme.org a good
first stop for newbies", "Not putting pressure on the maintainers of
scheme.org to keep tutorials and introductions up to date" and "Not
making seasoned schemers looking for some reference information have to
scroll too far down the page".

> Those would be at least:
>
> - learn/docs
> - news/blog
> - libs/pkgs
> - events (in the future, if not already)

Yeah

>> I think we should have an overall "events" thing that workshops and
>> other events are all part of.
>
> So we'd have events.scheme.org. I agree that's a good idea. IMHO we
> should have both singular and plural for each subdomain, with one
> redirecting to the other. This would give us event.scheme.org as an
> alias, and a natural subdomain foo.event.scheme.org for each event.

Yeah, that's handy for people who can't remember if the URL is singular
or plural when entering it too!

> However, workshop.scheme.org reads very naturally. We could redirect it
> to the schemeworkshop.org which already exists. In fact, we should ask
> the people behind schemeworkshop.org for their opinion and to sync
> things up with scheme.org so everyone agrees to the result.

Yep, the Scheme Workshop is a major event, so can have its own subdomain
- which events.scheme.org links to, of course!

I'd suggest:

 - event[s].scheme.org is the canonical page where Scheme events can be
found.
 - [subdomain].event[s].scheme.org is available to anybody who's hosting
a Scheme event to apply for a nice URL, if they want it.
 - workshop.scheme.org is basically schemeworkshop.org
 - Each workshop group is welcome to use schemeworkshop.org/YEAR or
{some prefix as domain names can't start with
digits}YEAR.workshop.scheme.org or workshop-YEAR.events.scheme.org or
whatever, that's up to them
 - But it all gets mentioned on event[s].scheme.org and, automatically,
currently pertinent ones get hoisted up to scheme.org itself.

In general, any event that is part of a series is likely to want a Web
site for the event in general as well as for any given instance of the
event, and I don't think we need to standardise how they handle that, as
long as there's a URL for each actual instance we can put on
events.scheme.org, and if there's a URL for the "series" as a whole we
can have a "regular events" section on the events page for those too.

>>> Link to blog (Planet Scheme); Link to a list of advocacy essays
>>> [We should definitely have blog.scheme.org and/or news.scheme.org. What
>>> would be a good place for essays?]
>>
>> I don't know. Do we want to host essays, or just link to essays others
>> have published around the Web?
>
> Can we aggregate essays first published elsewhere? Don't many of the
> "Planet" sites do that?

Yep! That would be great to bring into scheme.org.

>>> Should we link to Lisp users' groups or functional programming
>>> groups?]
>>
>> Yeah, let's spread the love and foster inclusion!
>
> Since we won't have a large number of user groups even if we include
> Lisp/FP groups, could we also feature them on events.scheme.org instead
> of having a separate subdomain just for user groups?

If they're groups that have a meetup, then that should go on events - a
weekly meetup group might indeed have a URL for the weekly meetup and
not URLs for the individual instances, a case for the "regular events"
section!

There's also groups that are IRC channels, mailing lists, Usenet groups,
subreddits, etc that aren't in any way "events" because they're always
there and should probably just be listed under something else ("social"?).

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Alaric Snell-Pym   (M0KTN neé M7KIT)
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