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Named vs numbered SQL parameters Lassi Kortela (18 Sep 2019 08:48 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Peter Bex (18 Sep 2019 09:13 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Lassi Kortela (18 Sep 2019 09:35 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Peter Bex (18 Sep 2019 09:49 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Lassi Kortela (18 Sep 2019 10:10 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Peter Bex (18 Sep 2019 10:16 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Lassi Kortela (18 Sep 2019 10:30 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Peter Bex (18 Sep 2019 10:38 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Lassi Kortela (18 Sep 2019 10:50 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Alaric Snell-Pym (18 Sep 2019 10:39 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Lassi Kortela (19 Sep 2019 14:20 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Peter Bex (19 Sep 2019 14:53 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Alaric Snell-Pym (19 Sep 2019 16:05 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters John Cowan (18 Sep 2019 22:36 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Peter Bex (19 Sep 2019 07:20 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters John Cowan (19 Sep 2019 13:54 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Peter Bex (19 Sep 2019 14:04 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Lassi Kortela (19 Sep 2019 14:07 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Peter Bex (19 Sep 2019 14:19 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Lassi Kortela (19 Sep 2019 14:28 UTC)
Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Alaric Snell-Pym (19 Sep 2019 16:00 UTC)

Re: Named vs numbered SQL parameters Peter Bex 19 Sep 2019 14:19 UTC
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 05:07:34PM +0300, Lassi Kortela wrote:
> > If named parameters were
> > pervasive, I'd say "use them", but we know they aren't.  "?" isn't actually
> > part of SQL AFAICT, and there are probably databases that don't support
> > even that.
>
> Unfortunately also true. However, is there a problem if we have a DSL that
> puts in the question marks or equivalent? I haven't thought about this in
> detail, but it's hard to see how a DSL inserting DB-specific placeholders is
> worse than a DSL implementing the entire SQL string escaping syntax
> (assuming the escaping is consistent across databases, which is already
> assuming a lot).

A DSL cannot do that in general.  You need the connection object to be
able to get escaping right; it's dependent on database settings,
especially to the character encoding.

> As a separate question, how do you send blobs without parameters?

By using a database-specific escape syntax.  In Postgres you can use
C-like backslash escaping of non-ASCII characters like \012, or fully
hex encoded strings starting with \x like '\xf0012345'.

> > that dumb programmers don't generally wind up using Scheme.  We hope.
>
> By dumb I assume you mean sloppy and careless. It'd be interesting to know
> to what extent that attitude is temperamental and to what extent people can
> learn to be more diligent if they see inspiring examples of good software
> made with attention to detail. Sloppiness is certainly pervasive in
> programming; it'd be inspiring to see some evidence that there is hope :)

I'm also a massive believer in better tools.  Even great programmers have
momentary lapses in clarity of thinking.

Cheers,
Peter