Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer scripsit:

> it's bad to expose any operations with nondeterministic order
> of applications/results.

As long as -keys is non-deterministic, I think everything else is just
beating the air.  In any case, nobody is going to randomize the order:
it is in fact deterministic for any particular set of keys, it's just
that the ordering you get is complicated enough that users treat it
as unpredictable.

> Radical solutions involve 1. dropping such
> operations entirely or keeping them very minimal, 2. specifying ordered
> hash tables like in PyPy.

The latter would be a fine idea, actually, based on what I've read.

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