This is a non-theoretical argument against cursors and for enumerators. We argue against cursors (aka iterators) as the primary means of traversing and obtaining all values of a collection. Enumerators such as left fold are superior to cursors: - in efficiency - in ease of programming - in more predictable resource utilization and avoidance of resource leaks, especially for collections backed by external resources such as file handles and database connections. I'd like to remark first about the merits of a proposal to rename iterators into cursors. I believe the name 'iterator' is confusing: in C++ it means an accessor, which does not iterate over collection. Rather, it is _being_ iterated. On the other hand, languages like OCaml provide methods 'iter' that actively traverse a collection, applying a user-defined function to elements. It might also make sense to use the database terminology to a large extent. A relational database is the ultimate collection, which can represent any single collection discussed in SRFI-44. I would like to state that I admire the comprehensive proposal by Scott Miller. Collections is a vast area, which I, for one, was afraid to touch. Without Scott Miller's proposal, we would have nothing to discuss. If I may be permitted a philosophical remark: when it comes to collections and other libraries, perhaps we could borrow more from languages that resemble Scheme more (such as SML, OCaml, Ruby, Haskell) than from languages that resemble Scheme less (C++, Java). There are many theoretical and fundamental reasons why enumerators such as fold are profoundly better than cursors. This message will not discuss them. Instead, we concentrate on utterly practical considerations: performance, easy of programming, and resource utilization. Writing a procedure that traverses, say, an AVL tree, in some order is far easier than writing a cursor that remembers the current position and can generate the next one. This is especially tricky if the tree in question does not have parent pointers (which waste space and lead to sharing and resource leakage problems). One look at the C++ STL should show how wretched programming of iterators could be. Cursors are simply less efficient. A cursor must maintain the state of the traversal. That state may be invalid. That is, each access to the cursor (to advance it or to read a value) must first verify that the cursor is in the valid state. The cost of the checks become exorbitant. This issue of inefficiency of cursors is well known. For example, it is highly advisable to use "native" operations to move large sections of an array (ArrayCopy in Java) rather than copy element-by-element. The cost of a range check on each access to the array is one of the considerations. Databases give another example. It is often said that the key to the best performance is to do more on the server rather than on the client. To find the maximum value of a column, it's far faster to select MAX(col) from collection than to open a cursor on the collection and retrieve all values from 'col' searching for the maximum. Likewise, to increment all the values in col, it's far better to update collection set col = col + 1 than to use an updateable cursor. Stored procedure languages (some of which are quite sophisticated) were introduced to make the server-side processing easier and powerful. We should stress that select MAX(col) from collection is precisely equivalent to foldl max lower_bound collection Another benefit of enumerators is the ease of managing resources of the collection -- especially precious resources. An enumerator can be programmed as (define (enum proc collection) (let ((database-connection #f)) (dynamic-wind (lambda () (set! database-connection (open-connection collection))) (lambda () (iterate proc)) (lambda () (set! database-connection (close-connection database-connection)))))) If 'proc' does not capture its continuation -- as it is often the case -- the database connection is opened (taken from the pool) at the beginning of the iteration and is returned to the pool at the end. If we were to expose access to our collection in the form of a cursor, we would have to place the variable 'database-connection' into that cursor. We cannot close the database until a cursor is alive. But how do we know when there are no alive cursors and therefore it is safe to recycle the database connection? That alone requires a finalizer -- a non-standard, unsupported and unreliable feature. If that was not enough, there is another problem: a cursor may stick around (being referenced from local variables) even if it would not be used according to the logic of the program. For example: (let* ((cursor (open-collection)) (elem (cursor))) (+ 1 (long-computation elem))) We cannot close our database connection until long-computation finishes. We contend that SRFI-44's current mandate to use iterators will cause great resource leakage, especially for collections with an external (file, database, network connection) backing. The most general enumerator for a collection is a left fold. It can handle complex seeds, and the early termination (by invoking a continuation or throwing an exception). Still, it might be beneficial to generalize fold to the following coll-fold-left PROC COLL SEED SEED ... -> [SEED ... ] It takes one or more seeds and returns just as many. PROC is a procedure: PROC VAL SEED SEED ... -> [INDIC SEED SEED ...] It takes n+1 arguments and returns n+1 values. The first argument is the current value retrieved from the collection. The other n arguments are the current seeds. The first return value is a boolean indicator: #t means continue iterating, #f causes the premature termination. Other return values of PROC are the new values of the seeds. A left fold with a similar interface has in fact been implemented -- specifically to access databases in a functional way: http://pobox.com/~oleg/ftp/Scheme/lib/db-util1.scm Here's a simple example of its usage: http://pobox.com/~oleg/ftp/Scheme/tests/vdbaccess.scm I am using this database fold in the production environment. See, for example, http://www.metnet.navy.mil/Metcast/Code/gief-serve.scm It is a really complex example, that uses EXISTS and other subqueries, table expressions, collection datatypes, geodetic datablade datatypes and functions, and other frills to make one sick. The example shows that it is possible to present a functional interface even to such complex collection as object-relational databases. Under the hood we can use cursors and ODBC -- and still present a functional enumerator-based interface to the user. Finally, if we really need cursors for our collection, we can get them _for free_: A conversion from an enumerator to a cursor is automatic: the corresponding procedure was posted on the SRFI-39 mailing list on Apr 2, 2003. See also http://pobox.com/~oleg/ftp/Scheme/enumerators-callcc.html Incidentally, it might make sense to require the SRFI-44 functions 'collection-values' to return a stream rather than a list. A stream is, essentially, a realization of a cursor. Again, it is far more efficient and easy for a programmer to implement cursors via enumerators, than the other way around.