binary vs non-binary ports Per Bothner (16 Sep 2004 04:51 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Alex Shinn (16 Sep 2004 05:34 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Per Bothner (16 Sep 2004 06:54 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Alex Shinn (16 Sep 2004 07:26 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Shiro Kawai (16 Sep 2004 08:30 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Alex Shinn (17 Sep 2004 03:43 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Alex Shinn (17 Sep 2004 05:32 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Per Bothner (17 Sep 2004 17:22 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Shiro Kawai (17 Sep 2004 20:44 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Hans Oesterholt-Dijkema (17 Sep 2004 21:26 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Alex Shinn (18 Sep 2004 02:15 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Per Bothner (18 Sep 2004 16:31 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Bradd W. Szonye (18 Sep 2004 17:43 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Per Bothner (18 Sep 2004 19:51 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Hans Oesterholt-Dijkema (18 Sep 2004 18:04 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Bradd W. Szonye (18 Sep 2004 19:21 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Alex Shinn (20 Sep 2004 02:06 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Per Bothner (20 Sep 2004 02:46 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Alex Shinn (18 Sep 2004 02:21 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Per Bothner (18 Sep 2004 20:04 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Hans Oesterholt-Dijkema (17 Sep 2004 21:37 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Hans Oesterholt-Dijkema (17 Sep 2004 22:40 UTC)
Re: binary vs non-binary ports Hans Oesterholt-Dijkema (17 Sep 2004 22:48 UTC)

Re: binary vs non-binary ports Hans Oesterholt-Dijkema 18 Sep 2004 18:04 UTC

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:31:02 -0700, Per Bothner wrote
>
> I get nervous when I hear about the "creative process of software
> engineers".

I personally like this human factor, but that is off topic here.

> * Portable programs cannot assume they can do binary i/o
> on ports opened in the default character mode, unless we
> make unreasonable demands on implementors.

How portable must it be? But I think I get the message. Do you want
to use standard I/O primitives to write binary files?
I've argued that an I/O primitive should determine the language
interpretation, not the port. The port has to handle the
communication or storage medium.

> * Most file formats that mix text and binary i/o do *not* handle
> general strings: often they only support whatever character encoding
> the "creative" engineers are most familiar with.

Hmm. That's quite a pessimistic view of the world. Maybe it's more
like: "whatever character encoding is sufficient for the project
at hand". When the time comes, internationalization is necessary,
it is allways possible to refactor your program.

> * I/O APIs designed by people unfamiliar with internationalization
> issues often have problems in today's internationalized world.

True.

> * A quick-and-dirty fix is often to specify that strings are in UTF8.

Could be, but that still leaves the trouble of decoding up to 6 byte
UTF8 encodings.

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Hans Oesterholt-Dijkema