Announcement Loop Facility
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(16 Aug 2022 08:31 UTC)
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Re: Announcement Loop Facility Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2022 09:03 UTC)
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Re: Announcement Loop Facility
Vladimir Nikishkin
(16 Aug 2022 09:24 UTC)
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Re: Announcement Loop Facility
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(16 Aug 2022 09:43 UTC)
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Re: Announcement Loop Facility
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(16 Aug 2022 10:01 UTC)
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Re: Announcement Loop Facility
Ricardo G. Herdt
(16 Aug 2022 10:04 UTC)
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Re: Announcement Loop Facility
Lassi Kortela
(16 Aug 2022 10:17 UTC)
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Re: Announcement Loop Facility
Ricardo G. Herdt
(16 Aug 2022 10:22 UTC)
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Re: Announcement Loop Facility
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(16 Aug 2022 10:39 UTC)
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Name of the loop macro
Lassi Kortela
(16 Aug 2022 10:55 UTC)
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Re: Name of the loop macro
John Cowan
(16 Aug 2022 11:03 UTC)
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Re: Name of the loop macro
Jakub T. Jankiewicz
(16 Aug 2022 11:18 UTC)
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Re: Name of the loop macro
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(16 Aug 2022 11:25 UTC)
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Changing the binding of quote et.al.
Lassi Kortela
(16 Aug 2022 11:46 UTC)
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Re: Name of the loop macro
John Cowan
(16 Aug 2022 11:57 UTC)
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Re: Name of the loop macro
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(16 Aug 2022 12:33 UTC)
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Re: Name of the loop macro
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(16 Aug 2022 11:16 UTC)
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> a SRFI specifying an extensible loop facility, inspired by Common > Lisp's loop facility, Emacs' cl-loop, and Taylor R. Campbell's > implementation of foof-loop. The fundamental problem with CL loop is that it ties together three orthogonal things in such a way that they cannot be pulled apart: (1) looping combinators (2) a non-nested style for binding/executing Lisp forms sequentially (3) a parenthesis-free, SQL-like notation for (2) Feature (1) is a very good fit for Lisp / functional programming and is nice to have. One of Lisp's best features is that scopes are clearly indicated by nesting: (let ((foo ...)) (let ((bar ...)) etc...)). Feature (2) flattens the nesting, which makes the scoping harder to understand and is non-lispy. This is especially problematic when part of a macro expansion. However, Lisp already has let* which does a similar thing. Feature (3) essentially embeds an ALGOL/SQL style sublanguage into Lisp. That's something one can do, but IMHO is so un-lispy that it's unfit for inclusion in a Lisp standard. And in CL loop's case, this sublanguage is not a general notation but is restricted to a few built-in looping constructs: it is used only to implement (1) and (2) and cannot be leveraged by CL users for general purpose programming. foof-loop looks much cleaner than CL loop. It has (1) and (2) but not (3). IMHO the following is the ideal breakdown of the problem for standardization efforts: (1) is unquestionably useful and probably not very controversial. (2) should be treated with caution. Nesting should be flattened in a way that is as symmetrical to let* as possible. (3) should be off the table; that problem should be relegated to one of the many infix Lisp efforts, and should be a general-purpose syntax, not just for looping.