english names for symbolic SREs Alex Shinn (26 Nov 2013 13:01 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs John Cowan (26 Nov 2013 15:20 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Arthur A. Gleckler (26 Nov 2013 16:22 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Michael Montague (26 Nov 2013 17:47 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs John Cowan (26 Nov 2013 18:28 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Michael Montague (26 Nov 2013 21:13 UTC)
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Re: english names for symbolic SREs John Cowan (27 Nov 2013 22:05 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Alex Shinn (27 Nov 2013 22:32 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Kevin Wortman (27 Nov 2013 23:33 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Alex Shinn (28 Nov 2013 00:22 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs John Cowan (28 Nov 2013 01:46 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Alex Shinn (28 Nov 2013 04:02 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Kevin Wortman (29 Nov 2013 23:13 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs John Cowan (27 Nov 2013 23:44 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Arthur A. Gleckler (28 Nov 2013 00:26 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs John David Stone (30 Nov 2013 14:56 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Michael Montague (30 Nov 2013 14:56 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Alex Shinn (30 Nov 2013 23:26 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Michael Montague (01 Dec 2013 15:37 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Alex Shinn (02 Dec 2013 00:33 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Michael Montague (02 Dec 2013 17:51 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs John Cowan (02 Dec 2013 18:28 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Michael Montague (02 Dec 2013 19:10 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Peter Bex (26 Nov 2013 21:30 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Michael Montague (30 Nov 2013 14:56 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Michael Montague (28 Nov 2013 15:35 UTC)
Re: english names for symbolic SREs Alex Shinn (29 Nov 2013 23:29 UTC)

Re: english names for symbolic SREs Peter Bex 26 Nov 2013 21:27 UTC

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 01:13:31PM -0800, Michael Montague wrote:
> Briefly looking through the first 16 or so implementations listed on
> http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/SchemeImplementationReleases, it
> appeared to me that only Chicken and Chibi provide SRE regular
> expressions.

What about the original SCSH?  And there's an attempt at re-porting
SCSH to plain Scheme48, and a port of SCSH to Guile.  Finally,
Irregex and this SRFI's reference implementation are portable
implementations which work ~everywhere.

Regarding the match result objects: there's also this implementation:
http://www.omnigia.com/scheme/scsh-regexp/

It was a start of porting the SCSH regex stuff, but it never got
finished.  There is currently no SRE syntax support for it, but the
regex API (which uses these match result objects) is there.

> This SRFI is going to break people's code no matter how it comes out,
> particularly if it becomes part of R7RS-large.

That's just silly: any regex implementation can use this as its engine,
and people can keep using PCRE as input.  CHICKEN's "regex" egg does this
to maintain backwards compatibility with the old PCRE-based regex system.
Most users have switched to irregex in the meanwhile, though.

> My opinion: SREs are a mutant love child of Scheme and Perl. To
> understand them you need to understand Scheme and PCREs.

For the common regex operators, the symbols are pretty well-known.
And for the really weird ones (non-submatch grouping, lookahead etc)
the syntax is already friendlier.  It's a sweet spot of readability
and terseness.

> I think SREs are cool. I don't think that Olin Shivers went far enough
> into the world of Scheme with the syntax. My proposed syntax would make
> SREs easier to learn without knowing PCREs first and it would make it
> easier for casual users of SREs to remember the syntax.

You *would* be breaking backwards compat with that.

Cheers,
Peter
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