Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (15 Aug 2020 11:16 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Lassi Kortela (15 Aug 2020 12:09 UTC)
Synthetic errno values Lassi Kortela (15 Aug 2020 13:10 UTC)
Re: Synthetic errno values John Cowan (15 Aug 2020 15:19 UTC)
Re: Synthetic errno values Lassi Kortela (15 Aug 2020 15:34 UTC)
Re: A better name for 'set, a need for a reflection API for SRFI 198?? Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 12:41 UTC)
Do we have a compatible vision for SRFI 198 Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 14:06 UTC)
Re: Do we have a compatible vision for SRFI 198 hga@xxxxxx (16 Aug 2020 14:23 UTC)
Decision on foreign-status constructor and accesor syntax Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 14:44 UTC)
Re: Decision on foreign-status constructor and accesor syntax Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 15:31 UTC)
Re: Decision on foreign-status constructor and accesor syntax Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 17:19 UTC)
On the messiness of alists for lists as values hga@xxxxxx (16 Aug 2020 17:25 UTC)
Re: On the messiness of alists for lists as values Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 17:39 UTC)
Re: On the messiness of alists for lists as values hga@xxxxxx (16 Aug 2020 17:52 UTC)
Re: On the messiness of alists for lists as values Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 18:39 UTC)
Re: On the messiness of alists for lists as values hga@xxxxxx (16 Aug 2020 19:04 UTC)
Re: On the messiness of alists for lists as values John Cowan (16 Aug 2020 22:26 UTC)
PC-Scheme for DOS Lassi Kortela (17 Aug 2020 10:07 UTC)
Re: Do we have a compatible vision for SRFI 198 Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 14:24 UTC)
Re: Do we have a compatible vision for SRFI 198 John Cowan (17 Aug 2020 02:51 UTC)
Should foreign-status properties be divided into sets or not? Lassi Kortela (17 Aug 2020 10:52 UTC)
Re: Should foreign-status properties be divided into sets or not? Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (17 Aug 2020 15:51 UTC)
Re: Should foreign-status properties be divided into sets or not? Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (17 Aug 2020 16:17 UTC)
Re: Should foreign-status properties be divided into sets or not? Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (17 Aug 2020 16:33 UTC)
Re: SRFI 35 (Conditions), SRFI 198, and do we have a compatible vision Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 14:14 UTC)
SRFI 35 compound conditions Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 14:23 UTC)
Re: SRFI 35 compound conditions Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 14:26 UTC)
Re: Synthetic errno values hga@xxxxxx (15 Aug 2020 16:02 UTC)
Re: Synthetic errno values Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 07:58 UTC)
Re: Synthetic errno values hga@xxxxxx (16 Aug 2020 12:39 UTC)
Re: Synthetic errno values Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 13:07 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Shiro Kawai (16 Aug 2020 01:12 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Shiro Kawai (16 Aug 2020 02:30 UTC)
Split SRFI 198 from generic debugging/inspection? hga@xxxxxx (16 Aug 2020 02:44 UTC)
Re: Split SRFI 198 from generic debugging/inspection? Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 09:06 UTC)
Re: Split SRFI 198 from generic debugging/inspection? hga@xxxxxx (16 Aug 2020 13:01 UTC)
Matching what other languages give in SRFI 170 errors Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 13:47 UTC)
Re: Matching what other languages give in SRFI 170 errors Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (17 Aug 2020 06:11 UTC)
Re: Matching what other languages give in SRFI 170 errors Lassi Kortela (17 Aug 2020 10:10 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Göran Weinholt (16 Aug 2020 08:55 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 09:02 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Shiro Kawai (16 Aug 2020 09:11 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Göran Weinholt (16 Aug 2020 09:44 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 10:20 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Shiro Kawai (16 Aug 2020 11:29 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 12:18 UTC)
Continuation marks and SRFI 198 Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 11:29 UTC)
Re: Continuation marks and SRFI 198 Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (16 Aug 2020 12:52 UTC)
Re: posix-error and a list of scheme procedure arguments Shiro Kawai (16 Aug 2020 11:17 UTC)
Passing symbols to say where errors came from? Lassi Kortela (16 Aug 2020 11:21 UTC)
Re: Passing symbols to say where errors came from? John Cowan (17 Aug 2020 17:07 UTC)
Re: Passing symbols to say where errors came from? hga@xxxxxx (17 Aug 2020 18:44 UTC)
Re: Passing symbols to say where errors came from? Shiro Kawai (17 Aug 2020 22:06 UTC)
Re: Passing symbols to say where errors came from? Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (18 Aug 2020 06:09 UTC)

Should foreign-status properties be divided into sets or not? Lassi Kortela 17 Aug 2020 10:52 UTC

> It is, so we agree.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Agree with that too.
>
> Agreed, using "mandate".

Thank you for the reconciliation. It's good we have reassurance that the
SRFI is not falling apart.

> So what question does the presence of 'set (or whatever The (Mandatory
> Key) is to be called) answer?  In my view, this one:  "Can we interpret
> this foreign status object using the conventions of Posix foreign status
> objects, yes or no?"  Just looking at 'errno is not enough, as it might
> mean something different in a different convention.  That's why I like
> the name 'convention for The Key, though I agree it is long.

Excellent. Now we have arrived at the crux of the matter.

I also originally assumed that it would be natural to partition the
properties by one mandatory key. But now that we have coined many
properties, it seems that most of them either don't belong clearly under
one key, or it doesn't matter whether they do since there's little risk
of conflict with other properties regardless.

Hence I've started to lean in the direction of having most properties be
independent of the master key. This implies that the master key becomes
just one key among others.

'set, 'code/number, and 'name/symbol naturally form a group.
'code/number and 'name/symbol without a 'set make sense in the same
sense that a grammatically correct but out-of-context English sentence
makes, but 'set is clearly needed for a useful result. On the other
hand, there are situations in which is makes sense to say something
vague, and we should never use precise language to mask vague concepts.
Hence 'code/number and 'name/symbol also make at least a little sense
even without 'set.

It's true the flexibility of master-key-independent properties means
that more care needs to be taken in their design since they potentially
have to work with many different kinds of status objects without causing
confusion. I tend to think this is a necessary evil; in my experience,
the world tends to resist being divided neatly into boxes. I welcome
arguments to the contrary.

> This, of course, leads to a question behind the question.  Suppose the
> error comes from Cygwin, and suppose Cygwin has collected enough
> information that we can create a Windows-convention status object.
>   What then?  That's where 'inner comes in: the Posix-convention errno
> is the result of Cygwin interpreting a Windows WhatEverCall, so 'inner
> will point to a WIndows-convention foreign status object.  But of course
> 'inner will not be mandatory,

Yes, that's one reasonable way to do it. I haven't thought about the
implications yet.