Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (29 Oct 2003 17:46 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 19:13 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 20:06 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 20:47 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (29 Oct 2003 23:24 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Taylor Campbell (30 Oct 2003 01:53 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 04:42 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (30 Oct 2003 16:52 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 17:11 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (30 Oct 2003 16:33 UTC)
RE: Fundamental design flaws Anton van Straaten (30 Oct 2003 16:52 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 17:19 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 18:13 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 21:18 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:26 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 21:35 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:49 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 21:55 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 22:05 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 22:28 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 22:52 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Alex Shinn (31 Oct 2003 03:04 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (31 Oct 2003 03:20 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Alex Shinn (31 Oct 2003 07:13 UTC)
RE: Fundamental design flaws Anton van Straaten (30 Oct 2003 23:07 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (31 Oct 2003 03:12 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:57 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (30 Oct 2003 20:23 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 20:35 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 17:06 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 17:26 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 18:15 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws bear (30 Oct 2003 18:48 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 19:35 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws bear (30 Oct 2003 19:45 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 20:08 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws bear (30 Oct 2003 20:40 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 20:48 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (30 Oct 2003 20:49 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:02 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 21:26 UTC)

Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx 30 Oct 2003 22:05 UTC
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 01:54:59PM -0800, Bradd W. Szonye wrote:
> > Bradd W. Szonye wrote:
> >> No, it's a flaw in the design. You distinguish lists from alists
> >> according to content. You'll have isomorphism problems whenever the
> >> content of a list happens to match the structure of an alist. The only
> >> way to avoid that is to eliminate support for primitive alists -- which
> >> means eliminating support for one of the most common Scheme collections.
>
> xxxxxx@freenetproject.org wrote:
> > No we don't.  Taylor can attest to that.  That was a bug in the
> > implementation at the time, it wasn't a problem previous to that
> > version, and isn't a problem now.
>
> How do the generic procedures know whether '((a . 1) (b . 2)) is a list
> or an alist? If it's based on content, you have isomorphism issues to
> resolve. If you're now using something like a record type for alists,
> then you're not really handling primitive alists.

They never receive ((a . 1) (b . 2)).  They receive an alist-dict, which
has structure beyond the stored values which it can dispatch on (Taylor
can comment more).  We don't handle primitive alists.  It was never the
intention of the "Scheme Collections" section to make the Scheme types
work with collections.  It was the intention to write collections that
used the underlying Scheme types to store values, to show how they
behave if they are collections.

	Scott
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