Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 02:18 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(13 Feb 2004 03:35 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 05:59 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(13 Feb 2004 06:36 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 08:00 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Robby Findler
(13 Feb 2004 15:01 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 17:16 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 18:19 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Robby Findler
(16 Feb 2004 01:03 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(16 Feb 2004 03:21 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(16 Feb 2004 04:18 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Robby Findler
(16 Feb 2004 04:33 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
bear
(13 Feb 2004 17:40 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Per Bothner
(13 Feb 2004 18:34 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 19:02 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(13 Feb 2004 19:05 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 19:48 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Per Bothner
(13 Feb 2004 19:11 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 19:44 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
bear
(13 Feb 2004 21:42 UTC)
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Re: Encodings. Bradd W. Szonye (13 Feb 2004 21:54 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 23:45 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(14 Feb 2004 00:04 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
bear
(14 Feb 2004 01:06 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(14 Feb 2004 01:08 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(14 Feb 2004 02:35 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(14 Feb 2004 03:00 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(14 Feb 2004 03:04 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(14 Feb 2004 03:08 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(14 Feb 2004 03:29 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(14 Feb 2004 02:19 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(14 Feb 2004 03:04 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(14 Feb 2004 03:10 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(14 Feb 2004 03:12 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 22:41 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(13 Feb 2004 17:55 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Paul Schlie
(13 Feb 2004 18:42 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Bradd W. Szonye
(13 Feb 2004 18:53 UTC)
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Re: Encodings.
Ken Dickey
(13 Feb 2004 21:53 UTC)
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RESET [was Re: Encodings]
Ken Dickey
(14 Feb 2004 16:19 UTC)
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Re: RESET [was Re: Encodings]
bear
(14 Feb 2004 18:02 UTC)
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Re: RESET [was Re: Encodings]
Bradd W. Szonye
(14 Feb 2004 19:38 UTC)
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> Paul Schlie wrote: >> But feel compelled to observe that once an object's internal representation >> is formatted/encoded to/from whatever external representations form is >> desired/required, it is then essentially in binary form; therefore binary >> I/O actually represents the root common port format for of all I/O; where >> more abstract ports may be thought of as merely munging on the data prior to >> sending (or after receiving) it trough a binary port; which although it may >> seem like a subtlety, if scheme were to view ports in this hierarchical way, >> it could form the basis of a very flexible data transformation and I/O >> architecture. bear wrote: > Central idea: Right. If the binary port is primitive, then the > various kinds of character ports can be provided as libraries. > > I take issue with several of your "therefores" though; while I agree > with your conclusions, I don't think that the internal representation > of any kind of data is, or should be presumed to be, at all similar to > that which passes through a binary port. That's roughly my feeling too. I agree with some of his basic conclusions, but I disagree with many of his reasons for them. For example, I think it's splitting hairs to call it "binary I/O" when you're reading or writing in the machine's native text format. In some cases, it's downright misleading; for example, the native text format on a VMS system is record-based and cannot be represented as a binary stream. Because of that, I think it's a mistake to claim that binary I/O is more primitive than text I/O. On some systems, the two are entirely orthogonal. For UNIX-like systems, you can implement text on top of binary, but it's not generally possible. Something to keep in mind when specifying port & string standards. -- Bradd W. Szonye http://www.szonye.com/bradd