Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (29 Oct 2003 17:46 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 19:13 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 20:06 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 20:47 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (29 Oct 2003 23:24 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Taylor Campbell (30 Oct 2003 01:53 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 04:42 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (30 Oct 2003 16:52 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 17:11 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (30 Oct 2003 16:33 UTC)
RE: Fundamental design flaws Anton van Straaten (30 Oct 2003 16:52 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 17:19 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 18:13 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 21:18 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:26 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 21:35 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:49 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 21:55 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 22:05 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 22:28 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 22:52 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Alex Shinn (31 Oct 2003 03:04 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (31 Oct 2003 03:20 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Alex Shinn (31 Oct 2003 07:13 UTC)
RE: Fundamental design flaws Anton van Straaten (30 Oct 2003 23:07 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (31 Oct 2003 03:12 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:57 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (30 Oct 2003 20:23 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 20:35 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 17:06 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 17:26 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 18:15 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws bear (30 Oct 2003 18:48 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 19:35 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws bear (30 Oct 2003 19:45 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 20:08 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws bear (30 Oct 2003 20:40 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 20:48 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Tom Lord (30 Oct 2003 20:49 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:02 UTC)
Re: Fundamental design flaws Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 21:26 UTC)

Re: Fundamental design flaws bear 30 Oct 2003 19:45 UTC


On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 xxxxxx@freenetproject.org wrote:

>On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 10:48:34AM -0800, bear wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 xxxxxx@freenetproject.org wrote:
>>
>> >I'd like to know what beyond lacking collection specific shortcut
>> >functions is inefficient in the current SRFI.
>>
>> You're joking, right?  Without the "shortcut functions" as you call them
>> being more efficient, there is no reason for most of these collections to
>> exist at all.
>
>But they cannot be defined if they don't apply to the general class of
>collections.  They need to be defined for those concrete classes or a
>more specific general one (like ordered tree).

Of course they can be defined for generic collections.  You can get
the last element of a list; it's just the worst possible structure
for that operation to be efficient.  Similarly, you can get a range
of keys from an unordered alist, or any of the other "shortcut"
operations.

The "generic" functions you're looking for will be used as building
blocks to implement these things if you don't make a space for them.
And the implementations based on the "generics" will be even worse
than directly implementing something a particular datastructure is
inefficient for.

These aren't "shortcuts" -- They are, in fact, the critical path.

			Bear