NaN's
Paul Schlie
(29 Oct 2005 15:50 UTC)
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Re: NaN's
Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
(29 Oct 2005 16:39 UTC)
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Re: NaN's
Paul Schlie
(29 Oct 2005 18:22 UTC)
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Re: NaN's
Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
(29 Oct 2005 19:14 UTC)
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Re: NaN's
Paul Schlie
(29 Oct 2005 22:49 UTC)
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Error objects in general bear (29 Oct 2005 19:46 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
(29 Oct 2005 20:22 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
bear
(30 Oct 2005 05:57 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
(30 Oct 2005 14:17 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Alan Watson
(29 Oct 2005 21:26 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
bear
(30 Oct 2005 05:40 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Taylor Campbell
(30 Oct 2005 05:45 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
bear
(30 Oct 2005 06:08 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Taylor Campbell
(30 Oct 2005 16:49 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Alan Watson
(30 Oct 2005 05:54 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
bear
(30 Oct 2005 06:07 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Alan Watson
(30 Oct 2005 06:46 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Paul Schlie
(30 Oct 2005 12:39 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Paul Schlie
(30 Oct 2005 13:04 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
John.Cowan
(30 Oct 2005 16:30 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Alan Watson
(30 Oct 2005 20:29 UTC)
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Re: Error objects in general
Alan Watson
(30 Oct 2005 13:17 UTC)
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I've been thinking about the behavior of error objects. And here are my thoughts.... I think that when a "live" error object is stored or written, it should be possible to read it back and get a value that says an error object was stored or written. But what you read back should be a "stale" error object, so you can tell the difference between a "live" error and a "stored and recovered" error. This sorta implies that there are two cases of most error objects, "Live" and "stale", the same way there are two cases of letters in the Roman alphabet. When you write a "stale" error and read it back, it should be the same "stale" error. So, for example: (define plag (/ #e1 #e0)) ;; the result of the error expression itself. (set! bar plag) ;; the result of referring to it. (define gref (cons plag 'foo)) ;; ditto. (error-object? plag) ==> #t (error-object? bar) ==> #t (error-object? (car gref)) ==> #t (live-error? plag) ==> #t (live-error? bar) ==> #f (live-error? (car gref)) ==> #f This would preserve read/write invariance for (stale) errors, and provides a framework that allows the preservation of error information through write/read cycles even for live errors (although they will become stale during the write/read cycle) while enabling people to tell the difference between an error originating in the reader and an error read by the reader. The behavior I'd most like for error objects in a language would be that any routine recieving an error object as an argument, unless it has an error-handler specified, immediately returns that error object without actually running any of its own code. NaNs work mostly this way, except that the abort happens only at the level of fundamental operations like + and - rather than through the entire language. If we think that this aspect of NaNs is a good idea, we should consider the possibility of including it in ordinary function call semantics for user-defined functions as well. If we don't think that it's a good idea, we should mask it in the math operations. And finally, if we think it's a good idea for the few fundamental math operations where IEEE defines it and not otherwise, we need to decide why. And, for what it's worth, this is a simple, clean, general error- handling and error-signalling mechanism that's straightforward to implement and simple to specify and prove things about, and I think it's possibly a better model than most I've seen advanced. There are several viable implementation strategies, including compilation to routines that use throw/catch, or stepwise handling where each procedure call would now have to iterate through the arguments to find any error objects, and, on finding one, check for a handler. And it would require some way of managing the association of error handlers with particular routines. Bear