Comment on SRFI-110 and Comparison to Genyris xyzzy
Bill Birch
(22 May 2013 15:03 UTC)
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Re: Comment on SRFI-110 and Comparison to Genyris xyzzy
David A. Wheeler
(23 May 2013 13:39 UTC)
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sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(23 May 2013 16:08 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(23 May 2013 16:19 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(23 May 2013 16:32 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(24 May 2013 03:55 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(24 May 2013 03:12 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(24 May 2013 15:34 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(24 May 2013 20:02 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(24 May 2013 20:09 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(24 May 2013 21:35 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(24 May 2013 22:40 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(24 May 2013 23:13 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(25 May 2013 03:43 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(25 May 2013 03:20 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(25 May 2013 04:17 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(25 May 2013 04:27 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(25 May 2013 04:55 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(25 May 2013 18:14 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(26 May 2013 23:26 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 00:29 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(27 May 2013 15:51 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic Alan Manuel Gloria (28 May 2013 04:28 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(28 May 2013 18:34 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Beni Cherniavsky-Paskin
(26 May 2013 20:40 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(26 May 2013 22:43 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 00:00 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Alexey Radul
(27 May 2013 03:32 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 04:44 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Alexey Radul
(27 May 2013 05:50 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Alan Manuel Gloria
(27 May 2013 06:34 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 15:14 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 13:55 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Alexey Radul
(27 May 2013 16:27 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(27 May 2013 15:55 UTC)
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RE: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Jos Koot
(27 May 2013 04:57 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 13:37 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(27 May 2013 15:50 UTC)
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On 5/27/13, John David Stone <xxxxxx@cs.grinnell.edu> wrote: > On the other hand, there is nothing about the \\ and $ symbols that > represents the corresponding syntactic structures For $: (| <--- open parenthesis |) <--- close parenthesis foo $ bar nitz ===> foo (bar nitz) <-- see the open and close parenthesis? xref: http://www.mail-archive.com/xxxxxx@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00404.html For \\, what I really wanted was a curving arrow coming from above and pointing to the right. I thought that \ would at least do that. xref: http://www.mail-archive.com/xxxxxx@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00329.html and I quote: ===BEGIN 1. The first use case: let . \ . . foo bar() looks like a line pointing to the lower left - which is where the next, more-indented line is. Neither ! nor ~ point correctly, so neither is as visually appealing: <elided> 2. The second use case: :keyword \ multi item expr looks kinda like I wanted to draw an arrow like this: :keyword | +--> multi item expr in order to show the "pairing" <elided> 3. The third use case: arf() \ meow() In this case, the \ looks almost like a vertical line. <elided> 4. The fourth use case: define quuux() . 42 \ \ {quux() * quuux()} Now, it is kinda like a vertical line that points downward, to where the next sub-expression goes. Again, ! beats it here: <elided> ===END (refer to the xref'ed message for full details - basically this was a debate on how to spell GROUP/SPLIT. \ won. dwheeler made it into \\, which means it wasn't my fault (^.^;)v). >, and indeed \\ is used in > two completely different ways, depending on context. It even has two > different names, GROUP and SPLIT, as if to emphasize the impossibility of > making the same symbol serve as an icon for two unlike syntactic > operations. GROUP and SPLIT are made the same because of the following reversible transformation: foo :keyword \\ expression x ; SPLIT <====> foo :keyword \\ expression x ; GROUP see? So you could do: foo :key1 \\ trivial value :key2 \\ trivial value :key3 \\ some not-so trival value and yet another trivial value see? > > Sweet-expressions also undermine the (slight but reliable) iconic > status of some of Scheme's existing marker symbols (quote, quasiquote, and > unquote), making them context-dependent. (For the record: quote is > somewhat iconic because its form suggests a half-barrier, allowing parsing > to proceed but blocking evaluation. Quasiquote and unquote are slightly > iconic because unquote is an inverted quasiquote character, and its effect > is to undo the effect of the quasiquote.) All depend for their iconicity > on > their immediate juxtaposition to the form to which they are attached. This > attachment is lost in sweet-expressions. Hmm? If they are "attached" to some n-expression (as in, not have any whitespace between the quote and the n-expression, their meaning is *exactly the same* as in s-expressions. We only have a divergent meaning if the quote has whitespace between it and the next n-expression, and arguably it's not "attached' anymore, there being a whitespace an' all.