SRFI 197: Threading Macros Arthur A. Gleckler (09 Jun 2020 03:41 UTC)
First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 06:48 UTC)
Re: First comments Linus Björnstam (09 Jun 2020 07:27 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 08:30 UTC)
Re: First comments Adam Nelson (09 Jun 2020 13:25 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 14:06 UTC)
Re: First comments Lassi Kortela (09 Jun 2020 14:12 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 15:28 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 16:05 UTC)
Re: First comments Adam Nelson (09 Jun 2020 16:15 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 16:22 UTC)
Re: First comments Arne Babenhauserheide (09 Jun 2020 17:03 UTC)
Re: First comments Adam Nelson (09 Jun 2020 17:16 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 17:22 UTC)
Re: First comments Lassi Kortela (09 Jun 2020 17:31 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 17:40 UTC)
Re: First comments Arne Babenhauserheide (09 Jun 2020 22:19 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 06:16 UTC)
Re: First comments Linus Björnstam (10 Jun 2020 07:17 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 07:38 UTC)
Re: First comments Linus Björnstam (10 Jun 2020 08:21 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 08:42 UTC)
Re: First comments Linus Björnstam (15 Jun 2020 19:50 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (15 Jun 2020 20:09 UTC)
Re: First comments Linus Björnstam (16 Jun 2020 11:39 UTC)
Re: First comments Arne Babenhauserheide (10 Jun 2020 07:53 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 08:04 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 17:44 UTC)
Re: First comments Adam Nelson (09 Jun 2020 17:46 UTC)
Re: First comments Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 17:49 UTC)
Re: First comments Arvydas Silanskas (09 Jun 2020 07:40 UTC)
Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Arne Babenhauserheide (09 Jun 2020 13:40 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Adam Nelson (09 Jun 2020 13:48 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 14:09 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros hga@xxxxxx (09 Jun 2020 14:16 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Lassi Kortela (09 Jun 2020 14:42 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 14:48 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros hga@xxxxxx (09 Jun 2020 15:10 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 15:25 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Arne Babenhauserheide (09 Jun 2020 15:47 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 15:58 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Adam Nelson (09 Jun 2020 16:21 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 16:46 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Adam Nelson (09 Jun 2020 17:13 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 17:35 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros John Cowan (11 Jun 2020 00:59 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros hga@xxxxxx (09 Jun 2020 16:58 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Lassi Kortela (09 Jun 2020 17:00 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Arne Babenhauserheide (09 Jun 2020 17:00 UTC)
Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 15:17 UTC)
Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Arne Babenhauserheide (09 Jun 2020 17:18 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Adam Nelson (09 Jun 2020 17:24 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 17:48 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Adam Nelson (09 Jun 2020 17:55 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (09 Jun 2020 19:11 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Arne Babenhauserheide (09 Jun 2020 22:08 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 06:11 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Arne Babenhauserheide (10 Jun 2020 08:03 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 08:10 UTC)
Association list utilities Lassi Kortela (10 Jun 2020 08:24 UTC)
Re: Association list utilities Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 08:30 UTC)
Re: Association list utilities Lassi Kortela (10 Jun 2020 08:49 UTC)
Re: Association list utilities Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 09:29 UTC)
Re: Association list utilities Lassi Kortela (10 Jun 2020 09:59 UTC)
Re: Association list utilities Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 10:09 UTC)
Re: Association list utilities Lassi Kortela (10 Jun 2020 10:37 UTC)
Re: Association list utilities Arne Babenhauserheide (10 Jun 2020 10:33 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Arne Babenhauserheide (10 Jun 2020 09:16 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 09:19 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Lassi Kortela (10 Jun 2020 09:29 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 09:42 UTC)
More on association lists (and other key-value collections) Lassi Kortela (10 Jun 2020 10:16 UTC)
Re: More on association lists (and other key-value collections) Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 10:42 UTC)
Re: More on association lists (and other key-value collections) Arne Babenhauserheide (11 Jun 2020 00:41 UTC)
Re: More on association lists (and other key-value collections) Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (11 Jun 2020 10:07 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Arne Babenhauserheide (10 Jun 2020 10:28 UTC)
Re: Usecase: chaining operations after "optionals" Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen (10 Jun 2020 10:32 UTC)

Re: Named procedure; RE: SRFI 197: Threading Macros Adam Nelson 09 Jun 2020 16:17 UTC

On 6/9/20 11:58 AM, Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen wrote:

> Am Di., 9. Juni 2020 um 17:47 Uhr schrieb Arne Babenhauserheide
> <xxxxxx@web.de>:
>
>> maybe chaining?
> Chaining is nice because it reminds one of the chaining rule in
> calculus, which is about the composition of functions.
>
> However, `->' does not only compose functions, it also applies the
> composition to some initial argument. So it is really the monadic
> bind, not just a compose/chain operation.
>
> (bind x f g h)
>
> doesn't look too bad, does it?
>
> In the general monadic framework that is taking shape, it would be
> defined (yet to be extended to multiple values) just by
>
> (define (bind x . f*)
>    (fold (lambda (f x) (f x)) x f*))
>
> The syntactic sugar can be provided by SRFI 26 as in:
>
> (bind x (cut f 1 <>) (cut g <> 2))
>
> This makes it pretty obvious and explicit (and, I would say, in the
> tradition of Scheme) how the parameter is threaded through.

I'm wary of explicitly connecting this SRFI to monads in any way. Monads
are a difficult concept for new functional programmers, are not a core
part of Scheme, and can be difficult to use in a dynamically-typed language.

Requiring `cut` also seems like too much. Like the `let*` proposal, it
makes short pipelines longer and more confusing than they would have
been as simple nested expressions.

What needs to be kept in mind here is that the sole purpose of threading
macros is brevity and readability. If this SRFI is defined in a way that
sacrifices either of those, there will be no reason to use it, because
writing expressions plainly, without the threading operator, will always
be clearer.

With that said, I am open to a different name for the default operator.
Right now I'm torn between `seq`, `pipe`, `chain`, and `=>`. I'm also
seriously considering removing the `->`/`->>` distinction and making
`->>` the default when no `<>` is present, since the most prominent use
case for this operator (chained list/vector transformations) passes the
chained argument in the last position.