scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 11:15 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Vladimir Nikishkin
(26 Jun 2021 11:20 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 11:26 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 11:54 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 12:03 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 12:18 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 12:32 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 12:41 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created Lassi Kortela (26 Jun 2021 13:28 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 13:40 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 14:16 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 14:30 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 14:44 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 15:50 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Feeley
(26 Jun 2021 12:42 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 12:46 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 13:05 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 13:36 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 13:45 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 13:58 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 14:20 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Vladimir Nikishkin
(26 Jun 2021 14:23 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 14:31 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 13:07 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(26 Jun 2021 19:07 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(26 Jun 2021 19:26 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(27 Jun 2021 08:02 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Lassi Kortela
(28 Jun 2021 06:47 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Feeley
(27 Jun 2021 16:36 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(27 Jun 2021 19:45 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Feeley
(27 Jun 2021 21:02 UTC)
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Re: scheme-script organization created
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 06:20 UTC)
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Script semantics and declarations
Lassi Kortela
(28 Jun 2021 06:59 UTC)
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Re: Script semantics and declarations
Lassi Kortela
(28 Jun 2021 07:09 UTC)
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Re: Script semantics and declarations
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 07:20 UTC)
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Re: Script semantics and declarations
Lassi Kortela
(28 Jun 2021 07:49 UTC)
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Re: Script semantics and declarations
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 08:05 UTC)
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Re: Script semantics and declarations
Lassi Kortela
(28 Jun 2021 09:16 UTC)
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Re: Script semantics and declarations
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 09:32 UTC)
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Proposed implementation
Lassi Kortela
(28 Jun 2021 10:28 UTC)
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Re: Proposed implementation
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 12:10 UTC)
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Re: Proposed implementation
Marc Feeley
(28 Jun 2021 12:15 UTC)
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Re: Proposed implementation
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 12:21 UTC)
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Re: Script semantics and declarations
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 20:42 UTC)
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Text substitution macros and multi-file archives
Lassi Kortela
(28 Jun 2021 07:24 UTC)
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Re: Text substitution macros and multi-file archives
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 07:35 UTC)
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Re: Text substitution macros and multi-file archives
Lassi Kortela
(28 Jun 2021 08:07 UTC)
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Re: Text substitution macros and multi-file archives
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 08:23 UTC)
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Re: Text substitution macros and multi-file archives
Lassi Kortela
(28 Jun 2021 08:38 UTC)
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Re: Text substitution macros and multi-file archives
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(28 Jun 2021 08:52 UTC)
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> For sure, they do. Just install the Chez package for Debian. You can use > `update-alternatives' if you have two R6RS installations, but everything > would break down if some script in the system relied on `scheme-script' > being something different than an implementation of R6RS. OK, so there are implementations in Debian that install a scheme-script. This is useful to know. > Again, the set of possible names is virtually infinite, so (if you allow > me to be so frank) it would just be stupid to insist on using the very > same name. It's not stupid. I've been under the impression it's widely recognized that the R6RS "scheme-script" is non-normative and broken as designed, since it gives so few guarantees about what features the script can use. It specifies strict R6RS conformance, but nothing about what Scheme implementation, OS, or libraries are available. The latter are probably much more useful guarantees to most scripts, than strict R6RS semantics are. The priorities are backwards. Since the priorities are backwards, it's reasonable to start from the assumption that not many practical scripts are using this mechanism outside of a site-specific environment. After all, if you need Chez Scheme, why not just run `chezscheme`? We could pick another name, but `scheme-script` is the natural name for Scheme scripts, so it pays to exhaust all the avenues for reclaiming that one. `scheme` is another natural name, but that's effectively taken too (contentious between Chez, MIT, and some others). The usability of the Scheme "ecosystem" (like RMS, I find that word is imprecise, but can't think of anything better) is improved if we manage reclaim the simple names for the purpose that the name suggests. Usability is weakened if things have misleading semantics, and the problem is compounded with each decade. > Ah, okay. But what is the meaning of the declarations then? Will they > change the semantics of the top-level program? If it is so, it won't be > a top-level program anymore but something more. And if not, I don't > understand your objection against the usability of a bare R6RS or R7RS > for scripts. I'm getting confused about the semantics of the word "semantics" here :) This is the most promising approach I can think of right now: - scheme-script is a small launcher program written in C. - The script file contains an S-expression that gives declarations read by the launcher program. - The S-expression can be #; commented where compatibility with Scheme implementations that cannot parse the declarations is needed. (At the start, this would be most Scheme implementations; maybe later, some of them would natively be able to skip the declaration.) - The launcher reads the declarations, and figures out the right command line flags to run the script in a compatible and installed Scheme implementation. If the Scheme implementation has a "run as RnRS program" flag (e.g. `chezscheme --program`), that one should probably be used. - If the declarations specify things like Chicken eggs, the launcher should probably set up a cache directory, run `chicken-install` in that directory to install the eggs, then run `csi` to run the script. Similar maneuvers for other implementations that support packages of some kind.