Core lexical syntax Lassi Kortela (25 Sep 2019 10:15 UTC)
Re: Core lexical syntax John Cowan (25 Sep 2019 14:09 UTC)
Machines vs humans Lassi Kortela (25 Sep 2019 14:25 UTC)
Re: Core lexical syntax Alaric Snell-Pym (25 Sep 2019 15:44 UTC)
Re: Core lexical syntax John Cowan (25 Sep 2019 19:18 UTC)
Mechanism vs policy Lassi Kortela (25 Sep 2019 19:58 UTC)
Re: Mechanism vs policy Arthur A. Gleckler (25 Sep 2019 21:17 UTC)
Re: Mechanism vs policy Lassi Kortela (26 Sep 2019 07:40 UTC)
Re: Mechanism vs policy John Cowan (25 Sep 2019 22:25 UTC)
Re: Mechanism vs policy Arthur A. Gleckler (26 Sep 2019 01:34 UTC)
Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding Lassi Kortela (26 Sep 2019 08:23 UTC)
Re: Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding Alaric Snell-Pym (26 Sep 2019 08:56 UTC)
Re: Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 02:38 UTC)
ASN.1 branding Lassi Kortela (27 Sep 2019 14:56 UTC)
Re: ASN.1 branding Alaric Snell-Pym (27 Sep 2019 15:24 UTC)
Re: ASN.1 branding Lassi Kortela (27 Sep 2019 18:54 UTC)
Re: Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 01:57 UTC)
Re: Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding Lassi Kortela (27 Sep 2019 16:24 UTC)
Re: Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 17:37 UTC)
Re: Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding Lassi Kortela (27 Sep 2019 18:28 UTC)
Re: Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 18:39 UTC)
Re: Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding Lassi Kortela (27 Sep 2019 18:46 UTC)
Re: Limits, symbols and bytevectors, ASN.1 branding John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 21:19 UTC)
Re: Mechanism vs policy Alaric Snell-Pym (26 Sep 2019 08:45 UTC)
Implementation limits Lassi Kortela (26 Sep 2019 08:57 UTC)
Re: Implementation limits Alaric Snell-Pym (26 Sep 2019 09:09 UTC)
Re: Implementation limits Lassi Kortela (26 Sep 2019 09:51 UTC)
Meaning of the word "format" Lassi Kortela (26 Sep 2019 10:31 UTC)
Stacking it all up Lassi Kortela (26 Sep 2019 11:05 UTC)
Brief spec-writing exercise Lassi Kortela (26 Sep 2019 11:46 UTC)
Re: Brief spec-writing exercise John Cowan (26 Sep 2019 15:45 UTC)
Standards vs specifications Lassi Kortela (26 Sep 2019 21:24 UTC)
Re: Standards vs specifications John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 04:29 UTC)
Re: Standards vs specifications Lassi Kortela (27 Sep 2019 13:47 UTC)
Re: Standards vs specifications John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 14:53 UTC)
Re: Meaning of the word "format" John Cowan (26 Sep 2019 20:59 UTC)
Re: Meaning of the word "format" Lassi Kortela (26 Sep 2019 21:09 UTC)
Re: Meaning of the word "format" John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 02:44 UTC)
Length bytes and lookahead in ASN.1 Lassi Kortela (27 Sep 2019 13:58 UTC)
Re: Length bytes and lookahead in ASN.1 John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 14:22 UTC)
Re: Length bytes and lookahead in ASN.1 Alaric Snell-Pym (27 Sep 2019 15:02 UTC)
Re: Length bytes and lookahead in ASN.1 hga@xxxxxx (27 Sep 2019 15:26 UTC)
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Fwd: Length bytes and lookahead in ASN.1 John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 16:40 UTC)
Re: Fwd: Length bytes and lookahead in ASN.1 Alaric Snell-Pym (27 Sep 2019 16:51 UTC)
Re: Fwd: Length bytes and lookahead in ASN.1 John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 17:18 UTC)
Length bytes and lookahead in ASN.1 hga@xxxxxx (27 Sep 2019 16:58 UTC)
Re: Length bytes and lookahead in ASN.1 John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 17:21 UTC)
Re: Mechanism vs policy John Cowan (27 Sep 2019 03:52 UTC)
Re: Core lexical syntax Alaric Snell-Pym (26 Sep 2019 08:36 UTC)
Re: Core lexical syntax John Cowan (25 Sep 2019 14:13 UTC)

Re: Mechanism vs policy Alaric Snell-Pym 26 Sep 2019 08:45 UTC
On 25/09/2019 23:25, John Cowan wrote:

>> I'd like to have 100% text/binary equivalence and a rich set of data
>> types for the same reason. Just simple (read) and (write) with a choice
>> of text and binary, no need to be concerned with other options,
>
> I continue to think that not letting (read) limit the amount of input is
> Very Bad Indeed.  Not all programming languages are memory safe, far from
> it.  Not even all Scheme or CL implementations if you set the compiler
> options correctly.

I think that such limits are useful, but are implementation limits, but
not limits to the spec.

For instance, there's no reason why a user with a big enough storage
device can't have a string literal that's several terabytes long, if
they want to. The format spec should allow that; it should be a valid
instance of the format.

However, it's also perfectly valid for an implementation to say "Hey, I
can't read strings more than 256 bytes big and I flat out ignore floats
and I only have 4KiB of RAM to store anything, because I'm running on a
16-bit embedded controller".

> Here's my current idea.
>
> First of all, I want a more compact syntax for bytevectors.  My current
> notion is for them to match/\[([0-9A-Fa-f][0-9A-Fa-f][-])*\]/.  That is,
> hex digits with optional hyphens between each byte so you can group things
> as you like, and then wrapped in square brackets.  I'm not particular about
> the square brackets.
>
> After that, the content of each ASN.1 LER object is one of three things:
> bytes, characters, or sub-objects.  So let's write # followed by either a
> registered name or hex digits that represent the type code, followed by one
> of a string, a bytevector, or a list.  So a vector would be #vec(1 2 3) or
> #20(1 2 3), a duration would be #dur"1Y2M35D" or #1F22"1Y2M35D", and float
> 0.0 would be #float[0000-0000-0000-0000] or #DBt[0000-0000-0000-0000],
> although a decimal float would be more interoperable.  I have some
> registered names in the new column B of <http://tinyurl.com/asn1-ler>, but
> this would allow private-use typecodes, which don't have registered names,
> to be encoded as text.

Allowing numeric type codes in the text format? *wince* is that a useful
feature?

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