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Comment on SRFI-110 and Comparison to Genyris xyzzy
Bill Birch
(22 May 2013 15:03 UTC)
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Re: Comment on SRFI-110 and Comparison to Genyris xyzzy
David A. Wheeler
(23 May 2013 13:39 UTC)
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sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(23 May 2013 16:08 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(23 May 2013 16:19 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic John David Stone (23 May 2013 16:32 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(24 May 2013 03:55 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(24 May 2013 03:12 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(24 May 2013 15:34 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(24 May 2013 20:02 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(24 May 2013 20:09 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(24 May 2013 21:35 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(24 May 2013 22:40 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(24 May 2013 23:13 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(25 May 2013 03:43 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(25 May 2013 03:20 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(25 May 2013 04:17 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(25 May 2013 04:27 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(25 May 2013 04:55 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(25 May 2013 18:14 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(26 May 2013 23:26 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 00:29 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John David Stone
(27 May 2013 15:51 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Alan Manuel Gloria
(28 May 2013 04:28 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(28 May 2013 18:34 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Beni Cherniavsky-Paskin
(26 May 2013 20:40 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(26 May 2013 22:43 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 00:00 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Alexey Radul
(27 May 2013 03:32 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 04:44 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Alexey Radul
(27 May 2013 05:50 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Alan Manuel Gloria
(27 May 2013 06:34 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 15:14 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 13:55 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Alexey Radul
(27 May 2013 16:27 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(27 May 2013 15:55 UTC)
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RE: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
Jos Koot
(27 May 2013 04:57 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
David A. Wheeler
(27 May 2013 13:37 UTC)
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Re: sweet-expressions are not homoiconic
John Cowan
(27 May 2013 15:50 UTC)
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John Cowan writes:
> John David Stone scripsit:
>
> > From the beginning, there was an obvious impediment to the use of
> > sweet-expressions: Readers who are accustomed to alphabetic writing
> > systems in which whitespace is almost invariably used as a word
> > separator, a paragraph separator, a decorative typographical element,
> > or for page layout simply don't respond psychologically to whitespace
> > characters as they do to visible characters such as parentheses.
>
> Ifthatwerereallytruewedstillallbewritinginscriptiocontin
> ualikethiswherelinesarebrokenanywhereatall.
Well, it did take a considerable time (measured in generations) for
the use of whitespace as a word separator to become standard. But there
was an obvious motivating advantage in that case: separated-word texts are
significantly less ambiguous. No such advantage accrues to
sweet-expressions.
> > Whitespace characters don't look like grouping symbols, as
> > parentheses, brackets, braces, or oriented quotation marks do, because
> > they don't have appropriate shapes and don't come in pairs. Moreover,
> > they don't visibly nest, so it is unnatural to use them to represent
> > recursively defined syntactic structures.
>
> Au contraire. It is so natural than even suits use nested indentation
> to show hierarchy in their PowerPoints.
Yes, and we see how well that works out when the hierarchies are as
deeply nested as those in LISP-like languages are.
The other common case of the use of indentation to indicate
grouping is legislative bills, which I would hesitate to cite as exemplars
of readability and homoiconicity.
It's not a persuasive argument to say that Scheme programs could be
made just as readable as Congressional legislation and the wordier kinds of
PowerPoint slides.
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