Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (28 Oct 2003 20:35 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Tom Lord (28 Oct 2003 21:24 UTC)
RE: Reasons for withdrawal Anton van Straaten (28 Oct 2003 22:05 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (28 Oct 2003 22:36 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (28 Oct 2003 22:44 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (28 Oct 2003 23:22 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Tom Lord (29 Oct 2003 02:50 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 03:19 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Tom Lord (29 Oct 2003 03:31 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 03:38 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 04:36 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 05:02 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 05:32 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Taylor Campbell (28 Oct 2003 22:56 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Taylor Campbell (28 Oct 2003 23:06 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (28 Oct 2003 23:16 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (28 Oct 2003 23:28 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (28 Oct 2003 23:42 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 00:13 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 01:00 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 01:41 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Tom Lord (29 Oct 2003 03:03 UTC)
RE: Reasons for withdrawal Anton van Straaten (29 Oct 2003 05:31 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 05:54 UTC)
RE: Reasons for withdrawal Anton van Straaten (29 Oct 2003 06:40 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 06:44 UTC)
RE: Reasons for withdrawal Anton van Straaten (29 Oct 2003 07:31 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 07:34 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Thien-Thi Nguyen (29 Oct 2003 14:08 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (28 Oct 2003 21:28 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (28 Oct 2003 22:02 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (28 Oct 2003 22:22 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Jim White (28 Oct 2003 22:15 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Shiro Kawai (29 Oct 2003 01:25 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 01:44 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 04:10 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 04:53 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 05:10 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 05:17 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 05:31 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 01:49 UTC)
API conflicts (Was: Re: Reasons for withdrawal) Shiro Kawai (29 Oct 2003 05:48 UTC)
Re: API conflicts Shiro Kawai (29 Oct 2003 06:03 UTC)
Re: API conflicts scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 17:40 UTC)
Re: API conflicts (Was: Re: Reasons for withdrawal) Bradd W. Szonye (29 Oct 2003 06:03 UTC)
Re: API conflicts (Was: Re: Reasons for withdrawal) scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 14:19 UTC)
Re: API conflicts Shiro Kawai (29 Oct 2003 22:25 UTC)
Re: API conflicts scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 22:41 UTC)
Re: API conflicts Taylor Campbell (29 Oct 2003 23:58 UTC)
Re: API conflicts (Was: Re: Reasons for withdrawal) Taylor Campbell (29 Oct 2003 21:40 UTC)
A possible solution? bear (29 Oct 2003 22:59 UTC)
RE: A possible solution? Anton van Straaten (30 Oct 2003 07:40 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 10:07 UTC)
RE: A possible solution? bear (30 Oct 2003 15:13 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 15:20 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 15:27 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 15:39 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 15:43 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 16:11 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? bear (30 Oct 2003 17:02 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? Tom Lord (30 Oct 2003 19:58 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 20:15 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? bear (30 Oct 2003 20:53 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:07 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? Taylor Campbell (30 Oct 2003 21:08 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 21:11 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 21:17 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? bear (30 Oct 2003 23:11 UTC)
Re: A possible solution? Alex Shinn (31 Oct 2003 03:03 UTC)
Re: API conflicts Shiro Kawai (29 Oct 2003 23:19 UTC)
Re: API conflicts scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 00:26 UTC)
Re: API conflicts Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 05:32 UTC)
Re: API conflicts bear (30 Oct 2003 06:22 UTC)
Re: API conflicts Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 06:23 UTC)
Re: API conflicts scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 13:54 UTC)
Re: API conflicts Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 14:01 UTC)
Re: API conflicts scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 14:16 UTC)
Re: API conflicts Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 14:29 UTC)
Re: API conflicts scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 14:58 UTC)
Re: API conflicts Bradd W. Szonye (30 Oct 2003 15:22 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Tom Lord (29 Oct 2003 01:50 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Alex Shinn (29 Oct 2003 03:06 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 03:18 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Tom Lord (29 Oct 2003 03:29 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 03:37 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Alex Shinn (29 Oct 2003 06:16 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2003 14:25 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Alex Shinn (30 Oct 2003 02:19 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal scgmille@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2003 04:42 UTC)
Re: Reasons for withdrawal Alex Shinn (30 Oct 2003 06:22 UTC)

Re: A possible solution? scgmille@xxxxxx 30 Oct 2003 20:15 UTC
> However, for the same reason, it _also_ makes sense to:
>
> 1) Trim 44 down to nothing more than (or less than, because I think
>    it is useful) the procedures for sequences.
>
>    Why sequences?  Because we have at least three examples of them
>    (vectors, lists, and strings) which, while they all have different
>    properties, all have in common that they're sequences -- so it
>    makes perfect sense to write programs which are agnostic about what
>    kind of sequence they operate on.
>
>    In the reduced 44, you would also effectively be describing what
>    the essential properties of a sequence are: future extensions that
>    add new sequence types which these procedures might be extended to
>    recognize have to preserve the required meaning of the generic
>    sequence operations.

What would concrete implementations of bags, sets, and dictionaries look
to for reference?

> 2) Drop bags for now because there is nothing that actually exists yet
>    (in the universe of R5RS+srfis) which is a bag but not a sequence.

I'm quite likely to write a priority queue bag shortly after SRFI-44.

> 3) Drop sets for now because there is nothing that actually exists
>    yet which is a set (or there's just one thing, a list, if you
>    consider srfi-1).

Same as 2).

> 4) Drop dictionaries for now because there's only one thing (44-style
>    alists) which is actually a dictionary (or two, if you're also
>    willing to consider ordinary alists in addition to "purely mutable"
>    ones).
>
> 5) Then drop collections in general because all collections are
>    sequences.
>
So basically you want to drop all these useful types because they don't
exist yet?  That makes so much sense.

>
> What I might do next, if I were you:
>
> 6) Write a variable-sized-hash-table srfi.

It won't be me, but it will certainly happen.  That will probably be the
first concrete collection we see.

>
> 8) Let's all think about the possibility of a "generic functions"
>    srfi.   No kidding that this is a large topic but I think it
>    can be done.

I agree.
> Nothing would be lost by this approach.   Nothing in it _precludes_
> ultimately arriving at, perhaps, the very spec you have now.  But the
> advantages are:
>
> a) separation of interfaces into independently useful chunks

But interoperability is exactly the point of the SRFI.  I really wish
people would stop proposing the "write everything later and then try and
make them work together" strategy.

> b) no introduction of interfaces to types that don't exist
>    or for which there is only one example

There is only harm in this if they're wrong.

> c) postponement of the generalized dispatching question until
>    we have a clearer idea of what is really needed
We're postponing it quite well at the moment, by not specifying it.

	Scott