Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O hga@xxxxxx 22 Apr 2020 17:13 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O John Cowan 22 Apr 2020 20:42 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Lassi Kortela 22 Apr 2020 20:53 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O John Cowan 22 Apr 2020 21:29 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O hga@xxxxxx 22 Apr 2020 23:57 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Lassi Kortela 22 Apr 2020 21:36 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Lassi Kortela 22 Apr 2020 21:42 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O John Cowan 23 Apr 2020 03:37 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 07:02 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 07:05 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Göran Weinholt 23 Apr 2020 10:53 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 11:09 UTC
Per-thread umask Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 11:30 UTC
Re: Per-thread umask Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 11:43 UTC
Re: Per-thread umask Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 11:47 UTC
Re: Per-thread umask Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 11:59 UTC
Re: Per-thread umask John Cowan 23 Apr 2020 15:03 UTC
Re: Per-thread umask Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 15:20 UTC
Re: Per-thread umask Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 16:02 UTC
Re: Per-thread umask John Cowan 23 Apr 2020 16:03 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 11:14 UTC
current directory and openat() et al Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 11:27 UTC
Re: current directory and openat() et al Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 13:56 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Sebastien Marie 23 Apr 2020 13:32 UTC
Definition of working directory Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 13:51 UTC
Re: Definition of working directory Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 14:06 UTC
Re: Definition of working directory Sebastien Marie 23 Apr 2020 15:31 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen 23 Apr 2020 15:24 UTC
Separate high-level and low-level APIs Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 15:38 UTC
Re: Separate high-level and low-level APIs Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen 23 Apr 2020 15:43 UTC
Re: Separate high-level and low-level APIs Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 15:48 UTC
Re: Separate high-level and low-level APIs hga@xxxxxx 23 Apr 2020 16:19 UTC
Re: Separate high-level and low-level APIs Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 16:42 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O hga@xxxxxx 23 Apr 2020 15:40 UTC
Re: Review of SRFI 170 through 3.2 I/O Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 11:33 UTC
Normalizing the current directory Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 11:38 UTC
Re: Normalizing the current directory Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 11:55 UTC
Re: Normalizing the current directory Lassi Kortela 23 Apr 2020 12:09 UTC
Using paths that are searchable but not completely readable hga@xxxxxx 23 Apr 2020 12:29 UTC
Per-thread working directory and umask proposal John Cowan 23 Apr 2020 14:13 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 14:16 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal John Cowan 23 Apr 2020 16:07 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen 23 Apr 2020 16:13 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 16:25 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen 23 Apr 2020 17:26 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal John Cowan 23 Apr 2020 18:38 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Feeley 23 Apr 2020 17:55 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen 23 Apr 2020 18:55 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal John Cowan 23 Apr 2020 20:12 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Shiro Kawai 23 Apr 2020 22:17 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Lassi Kortela 24 Apr 2020 08:43 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Shiro Kawai 24 Apr 2020 11:27 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Lassi Kortela 24 Apr 2020 11:37 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Shiro Kawai 24 Apr 2020 12:22 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Feeley 24 Apr 2020 12:28 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen 26 Apr 2020 09:19 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal John Cowan 27 Apr 2020 22:45 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Shiro Kawai 27 Apr 2020 23:42 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal John Cowan 28 Apr 2020 00:41 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Shiro Kawai 28 Apr 2020 00:56 UTC
os-working-directory Lassi Kortela 29 Apr 2020 09:23 UTC
Re: os-working-directory Duy Nguyen 29 Apr 2020 09:28 UTC
current-umask Lassi Kortela 29 Apr 2020 09:43 UTC
Windows Lassi Kortela 29 Apr 2020 09:47 UTC
Re: Windows Lassi Kortela 29 Apr 2020 09:49 UTC
Re: Windows John Cowan 29 Apr 2020 14:53 UTC
Re: current-umask hga@xxxxxx 29 Apr 2020 13:14 UTC
Re: current-umask Lassi Kortela 29 Apr 2020 13:25 UTC
Re: current-umask Marc Feeley 29 Apr 2020 13:31 UTC
Re: current-umask Marc Feeley 29 Apr 2020 13:45 UTC
Re: current-umask Lassi Kortela 29 Apr 2020 14:12 UTC
Re: current-umask hga@xxxxxx 29 Apr 2020 16:20 UTC
Re: current-umask Lassi Kortela 29 Apr 2020 16:44 UTC
Re: current-umask John Cowan 30 Apr 2020 04:02 UTC
Re: os-working-directory John Cowan 30 Apr 2020 02:49 UTC
Re: os-working-directory Lassi Kortela 30 Apr 2020 06:12 UTC
Re: os-working-directory Sebastien Marie 30 Apr 2020 07:19 UTC
Re: os-working-directory Sebastien Marie 30 Apr 2020 07:53 UTC
Should the SRFI mandate current-directory per thread? Lassi Kortela 30 Apr 2020 12:14 UTC
Re: Should the SRFI mandate current-directory per thread? Sebastien Marie 30 Apr 2020 17:00 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal hga@xxxxxx 28 Apr 2020 01:03 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Feeley 28 Apr 2020 01:41 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen 30 Apr 2020 07:11 UTC
Re: Per-thread working directory and umask proposal Marc Feeley 30 Apr 2020 11:33 UTC

Re: Separate high-level and low-level APIs hga@xxxxxx 23 Apr 2020 16:19 UTC

> From: Lassi Kortela <xxxxxx@lassi.io>
> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:38 AM
>
>> What about thinking of SRFI 170 as the low-level bare-metal
>> interface mimicking C/POSIX as much as possible? On top of that, a
>> more Schemely-SRFI could be layered, in which the current working
>> directory is a parameter object. I agree that the per-thread
>> semantics are more sound.
>
> I would tentatively advise against this since there would seem to be
> very little difference between those low-level and high-level APIs.
>
> The low level is:
>
> - Convert Scheme strings and fixnums to C strings and integers
> - Make the syscall
> - C strings and integers back to Scheme strings and integers
> - On error, either return errno as as fixnum or raise exception

Requiring checks for return values is one of the things I most
dislike about POSIX style APIs.

> High level:
>
> - Same as low level
> - Definitely raise exception on errno
> - Definitely translate per-thread umasks and pathnames
> - Not that many other differences?

We avoid some footguns, one you strongly advocated was having
directory listing procedures never return "." and "..", even the
lowest level open-/read-/close-directory wrappers.  John is planning
to go much further with the processes SRFI which was punted for 170.

And we provide some helper functions on top of the POSIX API, for
things people are likely to want, like directory-files which returns
all the files in a directory, and make-directory-files-generator for
when you don't want them all in a list in one go.

> So they sound almost the same.
>
> [ GNOME provides an example of what not to do. ]
>
> By contrast, OS operations that clearly compose several syscalls are
> clearly at a higher level of abstraction and could benefit from
> being in a separate SRFI.

As of now, directory-files and make-directory-files-generator are
examples that are in the SRFI.  The terminal control procedures like
with-raw-mode are an example of all of the above, they both provide
safety as previously mentioned, and also make a number of system calls
to for example get, set, and reset both an input and an output port.

- Harold