On Thursday, Oct 30, 2003, at 15:53 US/Eastern, bear wrote:

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> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 xxxxxx@freenetproject.org wrote:
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>> So basically you want to drop all these useful types because they
>> don't
>> exist yet?  That makes so much sense.
>
> You're just trolling here, aren't you?
>
> Things that don't exist aren't useful.  EVER.

Let me rephrase this to mingle the context into the sentence:

'Types such as dictionaries, sets, et cetera specified by SRFI 44 are
never useful because they don't exist _yet_.  They can't possibly be
useful, so they're not even worth considering now!'

Boy, I'm convinced!

> In your little universe, the very *reasons* for different
> collection types to exist are irrelevant, mere "shortcuts".
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> In your little universe, things that *dont* exist are
> regarded as useful. Useful to whom?  The voices in your
> head?

Useful to the people who intend to use specific implementation-
agnostic code with sets.

> The more I see from you the less confidence I have that
> this process is ever going to produce anything useful.
>
> In fact, I think you're just a usenet troll who has discovered
> a new forum and is gleefully laughing at the shit you're stirring
> up.  You got tired of creating flamewars by crossposting in the
> religion hierarchies and went looking for new kicks, and you
> found a bunch of lisp weenies who had a standardization process
> that was not defended from random trolls and decided you could
> subvert it for your personal enjoyment, didn't you?

Right, and in the process wrote two useful and successful SRFIs, wrote
a Scheme implementation that is probably the most SRFI-compliant one
that exists, et cetera...

> Every time anyone has tried to make anything useful out of the
> abortive mess you've sent us, you've refused the suggestions and
> advice.  Every time someone has pointed out substantial problems
> and documented them incontrovertibly (as Shiro did) you've announced
> that it is not your intent to fix them.  Every time someone has
> given you anything at all that might stop the fight or slow it
> down, you've shat on them.

Gee, didn't you notice that Shiro's comments were actually addressed?

> Enough.  I'm not playing this game any more.  If you're a troll,
> fine.  You've had your fun.  If you're sincere about this, get
> a brain transplant or a clue.

Mmmmm, what a nice, rational argument.

> 				Bear
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