Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
John Cowan
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Marc Feeley
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(02 Dec 2022 14:58 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
(02 Dec 2022 15:10 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(02 Dec 2022 16:24 UTC)
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Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
John Cowan
(03 Dec 2022 22:07 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(03 Dec 2022 22:39 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Arthur A. Gleckler
(03 Dec 2022 23:25 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(04 Dec 2022 00:14 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
elf
(04 Dec 2022 00:50 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(04 Dec 2022 09:34 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
elf
(04 Dec 2022 10:01 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(04 Dec 2022 11:07 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
elf
(04 Dec 2022 11:44 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Arthur A. Gleckler
(04 Dec 2022 05:15 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Vladimir Nikishkin
(04 Dec 2022 06:27 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Arthur A. Gleckler
(04 Dec 2022 06:31 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(05 Dec 2022 13:28 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
elf
(04 Dec 2022 07:13 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Vladimir Nikishkin
(04 Dec 2022 07:28 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(04 Dec 2022 09:40 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(05 Dec 2022 13:16 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
elf
(04 Dec 2022 09:41 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Vladimir Nikishkin
(04 Dec 2022 10:06 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
elf
(04 Dec 2022 10:15 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Vladimir Nikishkin
(04 Dec 2022 10:44 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(04 Dec 2022 09:57 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs elf (04 Dec 2022 10:59 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(05 Dec 2022 20:20 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe
(04 Dec 2022 18:01 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(04 Dec 2022 22:09 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
elf
(05 Dec 2022 13:31 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen
(05 Dec 2022 13:53 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(05 Dec 2022 13:59 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Arvydas Silanskas
(05 Dec 2022 16:43 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(05 Dec 2022 17:44 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Arthur A. Gleckler
(06 Dec 2022 00:15 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Wolfgang Corcoran-Mathe
(05 Dec 2022 18:08 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
Lassi Kortela
(05 Dec 2022 18:25 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review vs. SRFIs
John Cowan
(05 Dec 2022 03:47 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Jakub T. Jankiewicz
(02 Dec 2022 18:18 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Arthur A. Gleckler
(02 Dec 2022 18:34 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
(02 Dec 2022 18:39 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Jakub T. Jankiewicz
(02 Dec 2022 18:50 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
(02 Dec 2022 21:33 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Jakub T. Jankiewicz
(02 Dec 2022 22:16 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
(02 Dec 2022 22:34 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Jakub T. Jankiewicz
(03 Dec 2022 11:24 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
(03 Dec 2022 13:47 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
(03 Dec 2022 14:05 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Jakub T. Jankiewicz
(03 Dec 2022 15:04 UTC)
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Re: Scheme Review bootstrapped
Lassi Kortela
(03 Dec 2022 15:22 UTC)
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This was precisely what I meant. :) Whilst standardising some things about FFI may be productive - boxing/unboxing between native and Scheme code, certain primitives - on the whole, I find the lack of standardisation to be a strength. (An additional caveat - even if these are standardised, this doesn't necessarily mean they'll be compatible. The internal representations and structure are different, and standardisation could open up a huge Pandora's box of problems, as, for example, an integer representation of { 32 bit tag, 64 bit int } will not yield the same precision as a single 64bit int with a certain number of tag bits at the top - though this will not be obvious to end users.) If I can expand on the experiment aspect, integrating with SWIG some years, and its pitfalls and abandonment, would probably have never been attempted if FFIs were semi-standardised. I like that we can play with things and try to target different possibilities. -elf On 4 December 2022 11:56:53 GMT+02:00, "Marc Nieper-Wißkirchen" <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >Am So., 4. Dez. 2022 um 08:13 Uhr schrieb elf <xxxxxx@ephemeral.net>: > >> 2) FFI code is unportable. Whilst working out standards for representation may be useful, >> A) an implementation written in and targeting C (for example) is not going to have a meaningful FFI compatiblity to a native Java (for example) implementation, >> B) the individuality/uniqueness of each implementation may suffer if this becomes too uniform (which would make the entire scheme ecosystem poorer, imho) > >The latter point is a very important one and can even be expanded. > >The "unportability" of Scheme (outside of the R5RS, R6RS, or R7RS >core) should be interpreted as a good sign. It means that the Scheme >language is live and that people (users and implementers) are still >experimenting, trying to push the boundaries. We don't need 30+ >implementations if they all basically can do the same. But we welcome >30+ running experiments. > >What can be criticized in my opinion is that Scheme implementations >make it too easy to write non-portable code, some even invite to do >so.